Those muthafuckers are CRAZY!

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Don't we know it.

Ron Paul wants out of Iraq as part of his non-interventionist policy. He calls the war in Iraq illegal.

Those are both opinions that I agree with.

He is considered to be a Republican with libertarian points of view. I think that I prefer Libertarians to Republicans.

"Pay your taxes, pay your taxes, pay your muthafuckin' taxes!"

Is that from that B.E.T. video?

Not really.

Though I agree with Ron Paul re: Iraq, never trust a libertarian.

Every time they talk about Ron Paul, I think of Paul Wall or John Paul Jones. I'm pretty sure "Ron Paul" has a crunk record about to drop, he's not a politician.

What about Sean Paul?

perhaps...

I think Ron Paul actually wants to get rid of the income tax and rely more on sales taxes. I dunno if I can get behind that, because honestly I'm having a hard time fathoming it. Could you still tax certain items differently to make it a more progressive taxing system or would it just be a flat sales tax whether it was a pack of gum or a yacht? Anyways... I'm not a libertarian and I'm not trying to sell Ron Paul to anyone... I doubt I'll even vote but I'm just typing.

Why don't you like libertarians? The whole every person for every person and we don't really need a government sorta thing?

I knew a Ron Paul in college. Skinny alcoholic. Not a politician.

There are some psycho libertarians in northern Idaho. They don't really bother me that much. They don't get out much.

i kind of like the whole libertarian idea....they make a lot of good points, correct me if i'm wrong.....
isolationism
less government
no gun control or other constitutional rights (free speech, etc)

if i were political, i think i'd be in on this. But every time i see a libertarian politician, he strikes me as a whack job. Why must this be?

It's all the guns and militia rhetoric.

they believe in THE INVISIBLE HAND just as much as Christians/Jeebus.

i'm down with guns/militia.
i don't know what the invisible hand is.

the illuminati

Most of the crybabies calling themselves "Libertarians" these days are just Republicans trying to distance themselves from the current neo-con junta.

uh....nay-nay, these are Nazis.
spicy nay-nay posted this on Dec 03rd, 2007 at 04:45:23 pm
There are some psycho libertarians in northern Idaho.

Are you neighbors with the Idaho militia!!!

FREEDOM ISN'T FREE!!!

they're just harmless anarcho-fascists!

My biggest problem with Libertarian philosophy when it comes to issues like education, class and race relations in general is that they fail to address where we are right now. If everyone started on a level playing field, then it *might* be okay. But we're all fucked up now, so going all laissez-faire will just reinforce current inequties.

Seems like it's all about motherfuckers wanting other people to pay for schools and shit.

The invisible hand is a metaphor coined by the economist Adam Smith. In The Wealth of Nations and other writings, Smith claims that, in a free market, an individual pursuing his own self-interest tends to also promote the good of his community as a whole through a principle that he called �the invisible hand�. He argued that each individual maximizing revenue for himself maximizes the total revenue of society as a whole, as this is identical with the sum total of individual revenues.

thanks for the explanation, crappie..

i thought libertarians wanted to support schools with the money they save on government and military cutbacks.

Many of the northern Idaho militia-libertarians are racists who do not affiliate themselves with Neo Nazis. I think there are many racist libertarians in general, though.

hahahaha that's a pretty safe assumption.

So...invisible hand= Reganomics?

they make a lot of good points

"But Libertarians are also socially tolerant. We won't demand laws or restrictions on other people who we may not agree because of personal actions or lifestyles.

Think of us as a group of people with a "live and let live" mentality and a balanced checkbook."

so if this means i can grow weed, i am a motherfucking libertarian.

A lot of libertarians believe all schools should be private. Same with roads, utilities, etc.

roads, schools...
can i grow weed or not???

You can grow weed.

it's like when jesse ventura promised us legal weed and hookers, but then maxmized revenue for himself by announcing XFL games. so, like, the invisible hand didn't work for everyone, man.

i think at one point there was an internet movement to get a bunch of libertarians to move to a town in new hampshire or something....now they're probably all high.

LIVE FREE OR DIE

Doncha mean LIVE HIGH OR DIE?

I think that was a Meat Puppets LP.

that works too.
how bout LIVE FREE AND HIGH?

Finn McCool posted this on Dec 03rd, 2007 at 04:48:31 pm
Most of the crybabies calling themselves "Libertarians" these days are just Republicans trying to distance themselves from the current neo-con junta.

NAILED.

FWIW, Most of the live-and-let-live Libertarians I've heard over the last few years are also staunchly anti-choice, including (corrrect me if I'm wrong). . .RON PAUL.

from Wikipedia: "Nugent's views translate to his politics, and according to an interview in The Independent he "considers homosexuality morally wrong" and is an outspoken supporter of the Republican Party and the United States military. "


NOT LIBERTARIAN.

Ron Paul also has ties to serious right wing weirdos like that Chalcedon Society, who want to bring back stoning homosexuals to death and shit. Last time I read up on him, I ended up reading the Stormfront message boards for 45 minutes. Fuck a Ron Paul. He's not cool at ALL, and not just because of his viral marketing juggernaut, which can, BTW also Edith Bagg.

Why does every party alienate me in some way.
this is why i don't do politics.

The Constitution Party is a much better fit for those anti-government but hardcore Christian types.

Edith Bagg

Ooh, that's a good nerdy one!

Liberatrianism is the biggest misnomer ever... by taking away the Governments power to keep society afloat via social welfare policies etc, Libertarians are just taking the power away from the people, i.e. the Government, and placing it int he hands a small minority of rich white people who would enslave us all in some kind of ridiculous free for all laissez-faire capitalist system. Its the biggest joke ever. Republicans and libertarians say the Govenrment is corrupt but in reality they are the ones that are making the Government corrupt, its just a self-fulfilling prophecy.

so if i'm
anti-big government
pro-weed
isolationist
non-religious
pro-gun
environmentalist.

find me a political party, thanks in advance

I suggest the Marginalized For Life party, PL.

THE KICKASS PARTY

Libertarian Nazi Green Party

YES to both.

Free Pony and Ice Cream Party

a lot of those militia-libertarians were either former klansmen or skinheads who sympathize w/ neo nazi viewpoints and tactics.

i have never been to Idaho and don't plan on going anytime soon. becuz i want to live.

On the bright side, President Ron Paul combined with a Democratic Congress would assure that, after ditching Iraq and a few other godawful Shrub droppings, absolutely nothing at all would happen.

i think Libertarians are a lot closer to anarchists than just about any other political party. As far as i can tell, it's "get rid of all government except the military and maybe the police because they're an unfortunate necessity."

yeah, but a lot of people alligned with the libertarian party usually allign themselves with the economic end of the libertarian ideology and not necessarily the civic end. People like Ron Paul will keep women from having the right to choose, keep immigrants from coming into this country, and probably deny a myriad of freedoms from people as he is a just a conservative-libertarian, not a true libertarian. The heightened tax cuts would just make the already rediculous gap between the rich and the poor grow to such a rediculous proportion that crime would most likely skyrocket and this country would go into absoulte abysmal shittiness.

but, we that have land and guns would be just fine. I think that's the pull of the libertarian party.

less_cunning posted this on Dec 03rd, 2007 at 07:37:14 pm
i have never been to Idaho and don't plan on going anytime soon. becuz i want to live.

You wouldn't die! Most of the neo nazis moved to Montana!

montana is cool becuz you can drink and drive on the highway and ITS LEGAL !!!

" The LNSGP is suspicious of "absolute universalism and moralism", which it believes, "has its origins in Middle Eastern religious dualism (i.e., Judaism, Christianity, and, to a lesser extent, Islam) and "their modern secular offshoots (e.g., humanism, liberalism, Marxism, etc)"


funny, me too.

i think it's hilarious that they think absolute universalism has its origins in "middle eastern religious dualism".
Someone's never had an ancient history class (i thought they taught that in high school still?).
Do they also believe a small cabal of jewish bankers runs the world's monetary system from an underground bunker?

Here are some more libertarian gems from Ron Paul:

"Given the inefficiencies of what DC laughingly calls the criminal justice system, I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal."

"We are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, it is hardly irrational. Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers."

"Who is the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT to tell me I have to put MY BABY in a child seat!?!"

citation needed on that 3rd one. might be inaccurate.

whatever dude i'm still voting for Ron Paul.

The Decider posted this on Dec 04th, 2007 at 01:41:58 am
Do they also believe a small cabal of jewish bankers runs the world's monetary system from an underground bunker?

Wait...you mean that's not true?

Ron Paul is a fucking racist. I poop all over the libertarian party...

There are true libertarian forms of Government out there in the world, where the rich are mega rich, the poor are everywhere, and there is very little government controlling everything... they're called third world countries.

Ron Paul is 90-99% nut. I think a lot of people hear his Iraq stance, and maybe a couple other stances, go "Whoa...", and ignore everything else about him

I have one friend who is all up on Ron Paul's nuts, which has led me to just not talk to him until this fucking election is over. Racist, homophobe, woman-hater, xenophobe. Gross.

Xenophobe: great game.

yeah, xenophobe actually was a pretty great game.

Ron Paul + Morton Downy Jr. + chubby fratboy = FUNNIES!

he's still crazy though

Here's an interesting video of Ron Paul question Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke. Or at least I found it interesting.

I work close to one of his local campaign offices. Right now they're taking advantage of the traffic jam. . .dude's out on the sidewalk with about 10 Ron Paul signs, and all these cars are forced to just sit there while the name burns itself into their memories. THAT'S MOXIE!

sistermarie posted this on Dec 04th, 2007 at 01:30:04 am
" The LNSGP is suspicious of "absolute universalism and moralism", which it believes, "has its origins in Middle Eastern religious dualism (i.e., Judaism, Christianity, and, to a lesser extent, Islam) and "their modern secular offshoots (e.g., humanism, liberalism, Marxism, etc)"


funny, me too.

Yeah the make some good points, but they totally forgot Zoroastrianism WHAT THE FUCK?!?!?!

Maltese is right!

It's too bad that the views of Ron Paul that I like can't overcome the many ones that frighten me.

Ron Paul is the epitome of all evil, the wolf in the story little red riding hood coming to the republican debates. He is trying to lure people into his candy cane house so he can shove capitalism down your throat and you'll be pooping gingerbread for the next 8-10 weeks.

hahaha WOW. i've never heard or seen anything Ron Paul has ever said, but i'm quite sure that's a little bit embellished.

so, knowing what you know, about me and Ron Paul, do you hate him personally or is he against someone you are aligned with politically?

anyone know what's spicy nay-nay's favourite colour is?

i don't know, that last post was just being silly. i don't like libertarianism though. maybe its the fact that i'm quite the liberal socialist type and my dad is too and my dad gets into huge quarrels with my conservative yuppie relatives during the holidays and I just transmute all my aggression towards them onto Modern-Radio.com via hatred towards Ron Paul. This board really is a form of therapy.

ou est mon chapeau?

an apatheticarian

i think my old landlord summed it up really well..
"I am in the libertarian party, and they are the party that share most of my beliefs, but any libertarian to run for any office is a total crackpot."

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Just so nobody starts a timely parody thread. (I almost did.)

Arguably the finest, most straightforward critique of American libertarianism I've ever read.

And even if you don't read all of it, just looking over the list of things an employer can legally require you to do on threat of being fired is astounding: "...workers in most parts of the United States can be commanded to pee or forbidden to pee. They can be watched on camera by their boss while they pee. They can be forbidden to wear what they want, say what they want (and at what decibel), and associate with whom they want. They can be punished for doing or not doing any of these things—punished legally or illegally (as many as 1 in 17 workers who try to join a union is illegally fired or suspended). But what’s remarkable is just how many of these punishments are legal, and even when they’re illegal, how toothless the law can be."

finally i will never have to listen to fools defend libertarianism again!

It's too bad that Libertarians align themselves with the GOP on labor issues.

Is there an issue they do not? Other than pot smoking?

boris parsley
7/02/12 11:35 AM
Is there an issue they do not? Other than pot smoking?

unfortunately it seems they align more and more each day as the Tea Party influence radicalizes (retards?) the GOP.

Decider, thank you. I feel like the same reckoning came when the Democrats, fed up with the Clinton/Gore crowd, tried to take over the Green Party. It resulted in making the Green Party toothless and an ineffective version of the Democrats. Hell, I'm fine with the GOP toying with the Tea Party and Libertarianism because it's inevitably going to create a war on the right. The "right" has always prided itself in getting everyone to follow lock-step.

Sadly, we all lose when all this attention is given to morons who try to use big words and concepts to garner support from people looking for an alternative to the two party system.

tom, why do you hate princelumber's freedom so much?

I don't hate PL at all. In fact, I find him to be a quite excellent person and enjoyable to be around.

I am sure he feels the same way about people swinging towards libertarianism and glad he's in on the conversation about it. I have good friends that have been libertarians for years that are struggling with the growth of the movement and the focus on issues that are quite contrarian to what has historically been the focus.

i was just kidding tom

"Ayn" rhymes with "mine".

Or, more relevantly, with "Mein."

oh hey I forgot one difference between GOP and Libertarians...Libertarians are anti-war. Tevs.

And not that anyone asked, but my position is not staunch libertarian, I just don't "identify" with the Democratic Party as I feel the party is kind of a let down and just more of the same, what with the wars and shitty schools and infrastructure and what not. But I'm going to vote for Obama, I mean, for real, Mitt Romney?