We drafted his LT #4 overall this year. Do we draft him #1 overall in 2013? :P

This is the future:

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Bold prediction: Jerome Simpson will be a stud.

Zulgad said on 1500 that he's optimistic because "the young guys really seem to like each other."

haha ialto. send that one to common

Favrotie sports talk cliche: When professional athletes are describe as being "athletic"

& Butter
7/25/12 12:19 PM

I read that Everson Griffen was being used a LB in camp. Dude is pretty athletic and could be better than Brinks


hahah, what? no way is Griffen going to play middle linebacker. maybe he'll be a pass rushing outside backer like a Clay Matthew or Demarcus Ware or something, but no fucking way could he be a substitute for Jasper Brinks who is s MLB.

I'm excited for mindless Sunday afternoon TV watching.

the Classical
7/25/12 12:25 PM

Favrotie sports talk cliche: When professional athletes are describe as being "athletic"

I totally agree with this but can't help myself from using it sometimes. Albert Haynesworth...not athletic.

Christ - I don't think it was MLB and it was more of what you said. Can't see it happening though.

brinks' value to us is that he can play inside. he's actually really good at run support if he makes the read. unfortunately he sucks at making those reads.

I know Vikings want to get younger but I'm willing to bet EJ could cover 3/4 of the season.

They're just gonna cancel the next 3 seasons & give the Lombardis to the Eagles' dynasty anyway.

Groovy - Would you rather have an Eagles dynasty or Vikings win the SB this year and Ponder is MVP?

The latter.

plz - you know Asher All...Benny Sa...Zachary Bowman can cover Andre Johnson all day long.

But who is gonna cover Jabar Gaffney? ;)

our white rookie safeties!

GB just cut Charlie Peprah, you can have him.

We already have enough guys who can't cover/tackle.

Lions just cut Aaron Berry, all you have to do is go pick him up at the jail every Sunday.

Deon Grant still available

this plan would probably make more sense if we ran a 3-4.

"Sure we got depth, shit, I'll make Everson Griffin a slot receiver if I feel spicy..."

-Leslie Frazier

ialto

hahaha I totally loled at Coach's comment.

Where is Xavier Adibi when you need him?

am watching 1976 rams at vikes

just saw rashads first catch in purple

inside stuff

dad 2

i got jarred allen's autograph this week. BOOM

also tom dempsey is kicking for la

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Tom Pelissero ‏@TomPelissero

Greg Childs' MRI is not complete but two sources say it's a significant injury to both knees and he's almost surely done for the season.

fack.

how the crap do you tear acl/mcl in both knees on the same play

I feel so, so bad for Greg Childs. Tearing the patella tendon in BOTH knees on the same play seems almost as impossible as coming back from that kind of injury. His career is absolutely over and what's worse is his quality of life will be diminished in so many ways. Sad.

seriously

:(

Goddamn.

Also what's with this talk of limiting Allen's playing time?

Are they retarded?

The thing about Allen's playing time, man, if that goes down the way KFAN was talking about then jesus H FIRE EVERYBODY an start the Constitutional Amendment to Block the New Stadium movement.

Alan Williams is trying to do this "hockey line" program where he gets fresh guys out there on the D-Line. I look forward to 3rd and & 8 when we need a crucial sack from Allen and he's on the sidelines barking at Frazier's constipated "stoaked" face.

Childs has been waved. Week 1 going to be: Jenkins, Aromashodu, and Harvin at WRs?

waived...man...cruel business.

i hope people remember that some player is holding out for more $$. they are nothing but meat to the team.

Mags is SPOT-ON.


It drives me fucking berserk when people bitch about "some overpaid athlete holding out for more money." The median salary in the NFL in 2011 was $770,000. The average NFL career is 3.3 years. I'll have to see what Childs made for being in camp for like 3 weeks, I'm guessing it's between nothing and very little, but dude will never walk right again and has to start from scratch starting yesterday. What a total drag.

this is so sad. he had a ton of potential.

Yikes. Awful. That must have been a brutal hit.

It wasn't a hit, he jumped for a catch and landed weird.

Argh so sad. Fuck.

Clay Matthews says Giants didn't beat Packers

This is the same guy who also said he didn't watch the Super Bowl. I hate the "we beat ourselves" bit sooooooo much. Just man up. Accept that Manning torched y'all.

Clay Matthews is fucking dim.

Then again, so is Jared Allen.

Every team has their dullard/loudmouth/village idiot. I miss the days when our resident moron was Randy.

I'm convinced Randy had A Beautiful Mind, that his moron-isms were driven by disconnections that were inevitable considering how much more awesome he was than everybody else.

He was driven mad by his own brilliance. Like Bobby Fischer.

Though with juuuuust a touch less hyperbole, I agree with garyburrito.

I don't think Jared Allen is that big of a moron, either, frankly. If you listen to his radio show, he's fairly quick-witted. Well, by football player standards, at least.

will be interested to see Randy play in SF this year

GB faces two pretty nasty defenses at home the first 2 weeks. SF and CHI.

Be interesting to see how Alex Smith handles Green Bay D.

Is GB planning on fielding a defense this year?

I am actually really excited to see what kind of progress Alex Smith has made with after having a full year with Harbaugh. Watching Harbaugh coach makes me feel even lower, like subterranean at this point, about the Vikings coaches.

Was it your dream to have Harbaugh united with TOBY?!?!

in one year, Harbaugh vaulted into one of the top 10 coaches in the league. some coaches can get the best out of their players, even if they're not the most talented, that's one thing we're sure missing.

Just wanted to go on record saying that Ponder is going to have a breakout season.

i can feel it

same

can't say i've got the same feeling. it sure would be nice though.

Who is he gonna throw the ball to?

TEs and Percy

i agree w/still life

I love Kluwe's twitter stream. Such a geek!

But just because Ponder establishes himself as a quality QB doesn't mean the team is going to do better than 3rd in the division.

I've got a good feeling about the new TE John "Catch" Carlson. He's from St. Cloud and he was roommates with Sullivan in college. These are auspicious portents more than genuine indicators, but a lifelong Vikings fan has to take what he can get.

Carlson has a sprained MCL, which means he's missing training camp and it will linger all season long. He also missed all of last season due to a shoulder injury. I'm not too optimistic about what he'll do for us this year.

fair point

counterpoint:

dessa

Even if they don't win a lot I hope Ponder stays healthy and starts every game for the entire season

Two things:

1. Sidney Rice: Hahaha you're garbage and now everyone knows it. The fact that after ONE year in which the Seahawks paid you $18 million guaranteed to take you from the Vikes you repaid them the same way, by playing 9 out of sixteen games, receiving for under 500 yards and and caught an embarrassing 2 touchdowns. Seattle just signed Braylon Edwards and Terrell Owens and there's trade talk of you going to Washington. You will never, EVER shake the karma of what you and Rosenhaus pulled on the Vikings in 2010, and we'll all just count the hours until the surgical repairs you just had on both shoulders fails and you collect a check for nothing again this year.

2. This season will be dire. I was watching a bunch of training camp footage and for real, the Vikings are SLEEPWALKING through camp. Ponder will be good down the road, but he is not being coached by a competent staff. This years offense is going to be beyond vanilla, and we need to mentally prepare for that.

Cop started watching football with me during the first Favre season and doesn't understand my comfort with watching football for the bright spots in a losing team.

If you've watched them since 1978, your mind just develops that ability in order to survive.

yeah i mean...leslie frazier looks like a coach and talks like a coach but especially since this limiting jared allens snaps thing i've got this bad, sneaking feeling that nobody knows what the fuck they are doing

Frazier is fired by the bye-week

Coach - got a link to the trade talk to Washington? Where did you hear this? That would be crazy pants if he went there considering they hella paid Garcon.

How many wins does Les need to keep the job?

Well. We didn't fire him last year for 3.

So... 4?

i have a solo gallery show this month at a community college out in the boonies. i figure what better way to tackle social issues with a population that rarely cares about art, than to make the subject matter the mn vikings. the show will be featuring portraiture of ziggy and randy, and gary's kick, plus the metrodome. here is a sneak peak.
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had no clue the first pre season game would be randy vs the vikes. stoked.

Omg that's great

Nice big pass by ponder

Our run d is terrible

there is small font blurred on the bottom spelling "straight cash homie"

Ponder looked great

I really hope some of the veterans are kicking in to help out Greg Childs.

Christ O Fire
8/14/12 11:04 AM

I really hope some of the veterans are kicking in to help out Greg Childs.

Has something like this happened before? I'm not saying it's possible I just have a hard time believing they would do that.

Chinaski, that is fucking AWESOME hahahahahahahahaha!

Christ O Fuego, is there any sort of league safety net for what happened to Childs? Like a COBRA plan for professional players? Seems like a collective bargaining issue.

After watching Philbin coach his squad on "Hard Knocks" last night, I'm even MORE depressed about the Vikes coaching staff. Which means mentally I'm preparing for, let's see, four years of "rebuilding?" Frazier gets fired at the end of the season and three years of the new regime to install their scheme. My football shaped heart hurts.

Soapy Kittens
8/14/12 10:59 AM

Just learned you make close to $100k to play on the practice squad.

An unrelated tangent, but I've always wondered how much money bullpen catchers make and what kind of roles they usually are targeted for later in their career. Are they candidates to go into coaching later in life. I doubt they are MLB prospects...

Hahahahaha SK I'd never considered that. They're kinda like baseball fluffers.

Beard & Butter
8/14/12 11:26 AM

Christ O Fire
8/14/12 11:04 AM

I really hope some of the veterans are kicking in to help out Greg Childs.

Has something like this happened before? I'm not saying it's possible I just have a hard time believing they would do that.

i know i've heard of it happening before. i'm sure it's extremely rare. i could see AP kicking him some change though. i mean, first of all, it's just a damn decent thing to do. but secondly, it would help garner respect and bring the team closer together. playing football is kind of like going into battle, a lot of guys do it for the people around them and it certainly wouldn't hurt to have a leader that you have ultimate respect for as a person not just as an athlete or professional.

Coach - I saw that premier episode of Hard Knocks and honestly I didn't take anything away like "Man...Philbin is going to take Dolphins to the playoffs". Seemed like he had a hard time (on camera) telling Ocho to chill during press conferences. That's just my opinion.

I bet they'll be a decent team in the long run!

coach
8/14/12 11:28 AM

Christ O Fuego, is there any sort of league safety net for what happened to Childs? Like a COBRA plan for professional players? Seems like a collective bargaining issue.

no clue, really. i just did a little research and couldn't find anything concrete either. i guess i'm assuming there isn't.

Philbin was a glorified clerk in GB.

Worst/awkward excuse I've heard about the GB loss last year to NYG in the playoffs came from a guy I know;

"The team was too distracted because of Philbin's son passing away". Does it make me insensitive for not buying too much into that?

I don't know what loss you're talking about.








j/k. I don't buy that either.

100 Sack Club

we were debating whether or not jared allen will be a hall of famer at work and based on this i'd say even at another 4/5 years of moderate production he's a lock

jesus - 200 for Bruce Smith.

yeah no shit, him and reggie are crazy

that was fun to look at. i used to be a huge pat swilling fan. haha.

I think was makes Randle's numbers so impressive is that he was a DT and I remember hearing a stat that a good chunk of his sacks came on first down.

also, i had no idea leslie o'neal was so high up there. i kinda followed his career because my dad got paired with him in a celebrity golf tournament one time.

From Yahoo Sports re the Jamarca Sanford tweet about no touching AP:

No disrespect to Jamarca Sanford, but you could pummel his face with a tire iron for about a half hour, and the coaches would probably applaud your aggressiveness.

T-Jack is available for trade, dudes!

Captain Composure!

Sounds like Packers backup QB situation isn't so hot. GO GET HIM GROOVY!

Captain Composure can step in for Captain Concussion.

Uh oh Groovy...

Graham Harrell slouching it up?

Yeah, both the preseason games have been super ugly.

I think the fanbase were hoping for a halftime trade for McCoy last night. Just have him change uniforms...

I kind of don't get the McCoy thing. I've never been TOTALLY impressed by him.

I don't either, but Harrell made him look like Joe Montana last night.

cool simpson

PA needs to calm down on blair walsh. he said the vikes won't allow one
kick return for a TD this year...

My interest in the NFL may find a new low each year but boy is that Hard Knocks some compelling tv.

<3 at first sight blair walsh

Fans go crazy during pre season game

My buddy Joe and I were in the lower level for this. What started as a couple of guys in the section next to us doing the wave, building momentum, getting a few times around the stadium....and then turned into people throwing their programs into the air when it was their sections turn to do the "wave". This lasted for 30 minutes and paper was flying onto the field. I think the Vikings had a couple of first downs with Webb at this point but nobody was paying attention anymore. the PA announcer told fans to stop and it was probably one of the louder "Boos" I've heard in the dome even with half capacity in attendance.

Game talk? Love that opening drive but it would have been nice to get 6 as oppose to settling for 5-6 field goals.

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Viking game stories and coverage, NFL coverage, All MN Sports coverage, douche-bag player whistle blowing, etc.

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HA! I love it!

awesome i will be checking that

Sub-head for Strib article today on Toby Gerhart: Even if Adrian Peterson returns on schedule, the Vikings have a solid No. 2..

Har har.

from warren sapp's new book:

In preparation for [the 2002 NFC Championship Game] Jon Gruden have the single best motivational speech I've ever heard. In reality, most coaches' speeches aren't like in the movies, where the coach builds up and up the momentum until the team charges hell-bent onto the field ready to rip down the entire stadium. If a coach does give that type of speech it's usually Saturday night. The Sunday speech is the matter-of-fact review of what we need to do to win the game. All business. Gruden gave this speech at the beginning of the week. He stood up in front of us and explained that there were 10 things we needed to do to beat the Eagles. Ten Things! He went down the list one by one, blah blah blah, blah blah blah, we'd heard it all. But then he got to the number one thing we needed to do, and he started talking about their kick returner Brian Mitchell. "I want Brian Mitchell's ass on a plate," he said. "And once we finish with the Philadelphia Eagles we are going to go to San Diego for the Super Bowl..." he paused, grinned and concluded, "Where the coach is gonna get two hotel rooms for all my bitches!"

The room erupted. Exploded. That was it, that was the greatest motivational speech ever. There isn't even a second place. "The coach is gonna get two hotel rooms for all my bitches!"

I said to Gruden, "Yes, you are one sick fuck! Let's go get this done."

incredible

Hahaha man. GRÜDEN 2013!!!

first batch of cuts today

DE Jeff Charleston
FB Ryan D’Imperio
DT Trevor Guyton
DE Nick Reed
OG Chris DeGeare
WR Manny Arceneaux
RB Lex Hilliard

Aw I like manny

Emmanuel Arceneaux
Chase Baker
Chris Carr
Jeff Chaleston
Chris DeGeare
Ryan D’Imperio
Bobby Felder
Eric Frampton
Trevor Guyton
Lex Hilliard
Tyler Holmes
Reggie Jones
Kevin Murphy
Cory Paredes
Austin Pasztor
Nick Reed.
Sage Rosenfels
Quentin Saulsberry
Mickey Shuler
Jordan Todman

Rosenfels! good riddance.

Fiuiuuuiiiiick sage.....idiots, pray ponder doesn't get hurt

I like the idea that Nick Reed. always gets a period.

Pffft at this point Sage was the best QB they had. When Ponder gets hia ribbed cracked in game three we can all bask in Leslie Frazier's greatness. Please let him get fired early. Frazier would make an excellent CFL linebackers assistant coach.

hoping vikings take a flyer on mike kafka - he might make a better #3.

sage was pretty useless - if it got to the point to where he had to get in a real game it would be a nightmare

what are you clowns talking about? rosenfels is the worst.

obviously we all hope Ponder doesn't get hurt. but with that said, it's the third qb spot and i'd far rather have somebody with upside sitting in that spot. i've liked what i've seen from mcleod bethel-thompson.

wtf

cut sage???

burning sage the best way to get rid of ghosts

I would accept a Wicker Man-esque ritual to purge us of the ghost of '98.

who fucking cares about sage, we have JOE FUCKING WEBB

The sage move is interesting, as it shows without a doubt that it's speilmans, not frazierss, wants that are driving things and that this season might be written off internally already

If your main concern was now you'd keep webb/rosenfels

sage is one of my repeat customers, one of the coolest dudes ive ever met. Every time i see him he has a new story about how how stupid letroy guion is. im kinda sad hes gone.

I find it odd how much people are about a third string QB.

I am

mmm...missing words. I meant "how much people care about..."

Isn't the main role just to mimic the opponent in practice and not take a snap all season?

Not when yr starting QB hasn't started more than four consecutive games without being hurt. And Webb is a circus. I like the guy and he's fun to watch, but he'll never have the skill set to command an NFL offense. He's great to come in when a team hasn't game planned for him, but he's embarrassing as a starter.

Man this year is gonna be rough. From a Vikings fan persective that is. I hate Frazier so, so much. Btw, how about Frazier saying that "IF Adrian Peterson plays at all it will be limited." Sooooo he COULD have played the first preseason game bubnow he's not physically capable of starting over a month later? Pfffffft.

coach, do you think Sage has those skills? idk, if we're shooting for Barkley anyway, who cares??

but yeah, it's gonna be brutal.

And did anybody pick Sage up? If not, they can easily sign him and Spergin Wynn in Week 4 when the need arises.

Look, the worst thing we did this preseason is play Sage, because it exposed how undercoached and behind the curve all of our other QBs are. It's not Ponder's fault, I like his raw talent, but he'll never advance with Frazier and Musgrave.

if i'm reading you correctly, you're saying the super bowl is unlikely this year.

Unlikely to happen at all.

The Vikings are so bad, no Super Bowl for anyone.

:(

Hahahahahahahahahaha Dan you just made me bust out laughing all solo at one in the morning the day before school starts. Well done.

we somehow weren't listed in Barnwell's eight teams vying for the worst record in football

GRUDEN 2013!!!

Let's say someone (doubtful) like Gruden gets hired on. Does he keep Musgrave? It seems like Gruden is a big Bill Musgrave supporter.

"Which clothing manufacturer produced an NFL Licensed shirt that claimed the Houstan Texans were 1961 AFC Conferece Champions?"

lol saw that too

Alright, I'm gonna go ahead and put down some predictions:


NFC Championship Game:
49'ers vs. Packers

AFC Championship Game:
Broncos vs. Ravens

Super Bowl:
49'ers vs. Ravens (the Harbaugh Bowl!)

Super Bowl Winner: Baltimore Ravens


MVP: Peyton Manning

OPOY: Ray Rice
DPOY: Justin Smith

OROY: Andrew Luck
DROY: Morris Claiborne


book it!

the one thing I absolutely love about the 2002 realignment is that we get juicy matchups the next year like 9ers-Packers. This sunday is gonna be awesome.

Prepare thy selves vikings fans. Tex Kjos will make your nipples hard.

George on Sports

that was really great. i loved it

genius John Clayton ESPN ad

This Is SportsCenter: A series of ads as watchable as the product isn't.

hahaha. so good.

48 hours from now Vikings will be 1-.... 0-1

percy and

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are at my friends work rite now

not sure yet if together??

paul hi

ok not together but one table apart

so still

Going tailgating just outside the Crooked Pint tomorrow. Kinda pumped, even though this isn't the NBA.

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”Enjoy the season”

D looks deece. Not on that play though.

They make it look really hard to get a first down

Alot of qbs are going to have career days against us

rg3 is 10-11 155 2 tds!

I'm rooting for rg3 even though daniel Snyder is a dick

if we can't beat one of the worst teams in the league at home, it is going to be a very very long year

Yep

Kluwe is going to be very busy this yr

Are the vikes going to score a td??

I'm listening on the radio finally. Is it not looking good?

Ap is not human

Touchdown!

wow, AP erasing a lot of question marks today

Man...what a display

<3<3<3

Was nice seeing the first td of the year. Seems like ap just slipped right in there.

i don't care how shitty we are, percy and ap are just damn good entertainment.

ap 3td?

"LaTroy GUION YOU STUPID MOTHERFUCKER!"

-magma90210

Lololol

blaine gabbert, crunch time QB

haha!

throw season now?

this new kicker is my favorite player on the vikings besides kluwe

BLAIR FUCKING WALSH

retire his number

Welp, AP is healthy.

MARK IT FOR MOTHERFUCKING BLAIR WALSH

Huh. Didn't realize Kluwe holds for field goal kicks.

I can't take this

Vikes seemed to running on all four cylinders (from 4th quarter on.. that's all I saw). A few Childress-like play calls, otherwise pretty solid. Lots of balls batted down on D. Very nice.

that was so much fun

kai
9/09/12 2:59 PM

BLAIR FUCKING WALSH

BALLER

The big question is: Did this game give coach hope?

I'm guessing that in true coach Vikes enthusiasm, he's done a 180 and this game is a sign that we're on our way to the Super Bowl.

The question is not whether we will win a Super Bowl this year, but how many Super Bowls will we win this year.

LOL

!!!

don't think there's much doubt about AP's health, so that conversation can end.

RANDY MOSS TD. should we make a general NFL thread? where can I express my Randy Moss love?

Make NFL thread or post in Packers thread for Moss TD. SF looking solid.


What a shitty MN win. Walsh better get a BJ or two. Huzzah for AP

prob

i am overflowing not enough threads express <3 moss

that's a hell of a way to test a rookie kicker

have a feeling he is next fred cox

I'm in Germany and missed the game-- due to Internet costs on my phone the most efficient way to follow the Vikings is by reading this thread. My impression is that we don't look very good besides AP and Percy, but squeaked out a win against a shitty team. And the kicker did something good. That about right? Anything else?

ponder's line is actually pretty good, and kyle rudolph had a number of good plays as well

I loved AP's grit, Percy's talent, Kalil's blocked extra point and some great special teams play. That said, the fact that Leslie "check it out dudes I'm all chill like Dungy without the winning part" Frazier hasn't learned a fucking THING about clock management. We should have lost that game. How are we supposed to cheer when it's close when we KNOW we have the worst clock manager in professional football? The players saved his dumb ass.

You have the new stadium, you stole a shit-ton of public money, now SPEND on a coach. It isn't automatic, it doesn't guarantee anything, but at LEAST I know that he can count to 3 timeouts and understands when the clock stops and when it runs.

I don't know, have any other teams hired a dude to just monitor clock options?

Just an FYI, I looked at the schedule, and I don't see a loss.

When was the last time Green Bay was alone at the bottom of the NFC North?

Hahahahaha to BOTH of the previous posts.

"clock coach" has a nice rang to it.

The first place Minnesota Vikings. Soak it in.

groovy, you might remind people that the Packers were the only NFCN team to face a proper opponent.

Orbit is SO RIGHT on that one but we'll take it.

We we're pathetic yesterday but I feel pretty good about the Walsh situation

I was definitely impressed with Greenway and Harrison Smith. I still have no idea how Greenway made the Pro Bowl last year. He and the whole linebacking group were horrible.

^ Tackle amount (pathetic)

Yeah, I know he had a lot of tackles, but do people really use that statistic as a major factor for Pro Bowl voting? I guess maybe you have to, since nobody watches every game, but, man, he was horseshit last year.

He was great in 2009 and real solid in 2010. For non stat-emphasized positions, Pro Bowl voting seems to be about the last few years rather than the year you actually get voted in.

See that's why I prefer baseball, the unimpeachable integrity of the All Star vote.

Lol

Making the Pro Bowl is about being the 4th n line after everyone else bails.

minnesota vikings 2012: the blair walsh project

Vikings-Jaguars Game Story

Read all about it!

Really taking it to last year's worst team.

Oof

I'm generally still okay with how the team looks this year. Play calling is for shit often as not, but the players generally appear to be professional athletes, so it's an improvement over last year.

pretty much a blair walsh year

Jesus fuck, Allen.

Really dumb penalties this game

As a bonus, AP is sucking ass for my fantasy squad.

Yeah, down in the 4th they are going to have to pass a lot now

Better to be good or lucky?

That first down hurts

Pro move by Percy. If you're cramped up and gonna be out a play or two, don't just hobble off, gimp up on the field and stop the clock.

FUCK YES

close 1

Really feeling that lack of any legit deep threat WR on that last one.

Really feeling another game of watching a bunch of Vikings coaches trying to figure out everything on the fly. I don't think there is another team in the league less prepared when they take the field than the Vikings. Poor Ponder, it's not his fault. He's gonna be just like Alex Smith pre-Harbaugh.

So many stupid penalties, too, though. Gave Indianapolis a TD and put them in range at the end.

Again coaching, no?

I buy that for some penalties, but Jared Allen shouldn't need anybody to tell him not to hit the QB out of bounds. I'll call the roughing the kicker bad luck.

Have missed both games. Ponder's stats look pretty good. Is he actually playing solid or are the stats misleading?

Very misleading.

Ponder looks good in 4th quarter but horrible everywhere else.

This defense is awful...I knew Frazier's vaunted cover nobody within 10 yards of the WR would prevail.
Fucking clown shoes.

Luv u Percy

those penalties!

Bonehead penalties for sure. This defense might be the absolute worst in the league. Don't really see us getting a pick anytime soon.

i don't think the vikes know that they catch the ball when they are on defense, too.

Ponder looks ok, I think the offense/coaches aren't helping though

Yeah I'm not sure Ponder is the problem

Now, you know...whether he's the proverbial franchise qb superstar or just a good solid nfl qb a la say matt hassleback or someone like that remains to be seen

hasslebeck is a good comparison
or like brett favre when he wakes up from a nap

magma90210
9/09/12 12:39 PM
”Enjoy the season”

I thought they beat themselves?

Allen's personal foul was just a big bone head move. ugh :(

Somebody was trying to tell me yesterday the call was "on the edge."

I'm a pretty big homer, but naw, brah.

I guess he wanted to technically try and reach for a sack. Pathetic!!

when Simpson comes back things might pick up for a couple plays

O.J.?

I wish

Yes. A man for ALL seasons.

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nother Tex kjos article up

http://georgeonsports.com/

link

wooooo

Oh no you din't! Kyle Rudolph! You can't teach tall.

Fuck yeah, man.

Randy looks good in that uni!

Nice hit on Alex

This is really Moss' first game against the Vikings? Or just at home?

MVP(onder)

every christian ponder hearted man will show you

What the hell?

This is the first Vikings game i've seen this season, including preseason. I don't know if this is a flukey game or what, but Ponder looks pretty awesome

haha in that replay did it show ponder knocking purple jesus on his ass?

wtf is going on in this game

Pretty nice end to the half.

blair walsh

A good game to be listening to on the radio while building something out of plywood and 2x4s.

kai

howd u get to be a niners fan?

looks like 49ers comin out to play

The officiating has been fine today. But it's the same crew that butchered the Atlanta game last week.

my family is from the dakotas, but my grandfather taught in SF for a year and my dad was born there.

oh okay gotcha

Great catch by Rudolph but most likely offensive pass interference. Ponder's face after completing it was that of a man who know's he got a little lucky on that pass.

aaaaaaaaaarrrrroooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

lol

what was that shit

Wow

I also enjoy the 49ers from my time as a Bay Arean and just in general find the NFL mas interesante when they're good. But I also favor the Minnesota Vikings.

Dudes I am in the same city as NFL officiating guru Mike Perreira.

scab refs swan song???

yayyyyyyooo

wow scabs lucked out

Five SF timeouts granted by scab refs

So much for the refs doing fine. Holy crap. Free time outs for SF. Whaddafug.

scab refs bye

new nickname "hands"

wow toby, jesus

TOBY. WHAT THE HELL.

Whew. Let's give Gerhart a 4th chance now

Toby Gerhart is very ugly


^^This^^

15-1!

Well OK, despite how hard to watch the last three minutes were, HOLY CRAP! We beat the 49ers!

omigod lions

Wow that was stressful

Yeah, amzing hail mary in that Detroit game.

orbit hi

49ers, say goodbye to the number one spot in the espn power rankings.

I'd rather be lucky than good. Listening right now, TN gets the ball first.



Whoa Vikes! I guess we know who the real power in the NFCN is now.

Dudes you can follow the Fox NFL robot on Twittr

That was awesome! I went over to watch the game on my buddy's DVR.. that's the way to do it. Got through the whole game in under an hour. What was up with that last 3 and a half minutes? Shit, it took me forever just to fast forward through it. coach, are we going

Beard & Butter, Christ O Fire, Magma90210 and I were at this game together and it was fucking UNREAL. It was tantamount to a MRMB Community Outreach program but with more alley beers and less do-gooding.


Those five timeouts by Harbaugh in the second half had me keeping close eyes on Magma I thought my man there was gonna have a full-on stroke.

They should fine the "refs" like they fine the players.

Gerhart should be fined

in defense he was running in scab alternate universe

I might never recover! Awesome game!

this game was AWESOME! good job vikes!

Still getting my voice back...Thought the crowd was going to murder the officials at the end there but whew. Gerhart sucks.

holy shit was that an amazing game. fuck my all 49ers fantasy team. VIKINGS WIN, VIKINGS WIN!!!!

My fantasy team was shite today... thankfully Vikings won.

First fantasy win of the season unless something crazy happens with a probably defensive player for the Ravens and Jennings doesn't play.

any given sunday.....

good work vikes.

coach? super bowl?

I listened to the whole game, but only watched part of it, so I might not have gotten the whole picture, but I've read some analysis today and I'm a little dumbfounded.

It seemed like, aside from the whole last-minutes debacle, the Vikings won that game in a pretty un-flukey, workmanlike, we-are-a-professional-football-team-with-a-functioning-offensive-plan kind of way.

It seems baffling. Did I miss something?

good quarterbacks get "lucky" all the time

And I know it's only 3 games in, but #2 in the NFL in completion percentage and #5 in QB Rating?

LMQB41M

being at the game definitively answered the question "is ponder holding the ball too long on all those plays or is no one open?" to the benefit of ponder

I think future generations will increasingly demand (and get) a video game-like array of POV choices for their NFL viewing. There's money to be thrown at sports broadcasting as it becomes the only TV anyone watches in real time.

they actually have a new service that makes available every single angle/second of film the coaches and the league have access to:

NFL All-22 Coaches Film

1. Thanks Mags that is BOSS.

2. Dan, I agree. Finally, one other thing POV is good for.

3. Harbaugh is a fucking bum I hope Vernon Davis chokes him out.

4. Jawknee, I'm shaking trying not to say it, you know I want to sooooo bad....
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Coach - You and I were loving Harbaugh weeks 1-2! Hah!

Fuck. Ill say it. Rose Bowl too. Best MN football year EVER.


Anyway, just spammin for tex

http://georgeonsports.com/

percy!

Harvin Marvin!

Early leads pretty much kick ass.

Blair Walsh just doing Blair Walsh things

That was a beauteous tackle. No fucking flag, you assholes.

"Unnecessary suplex."

I like the new Arby spokes-cop.

Me too. "Subway's a FRAUD!"

this one's in the bag!

Titus Young Sr. is a goddamn bum!

AP is playing awesome, but the score won't end up reflecting how horrible ponder is playing today

Oh god.

My fantasy team would sure like Mr. Peterson to find the end zone.

My fantasy team would like the Vikings defense to quit manhandling them week after week.

Emerson Griffin?

vikes look good.

more like lions look bad.

Well, now Ponder HAS to do something. My confidence is not high.

chill out, dude. we got this.

Ha. Frazier heard me and was all "fuck you, coach."

hey, i got this idea, maybe we should keep a spy on leshoure? crazy, i know.

super bowl?!

oh yes, fur shaw.

wow the vikings could be ALL ALONE at the top of the NFC north? we have to have a 5 game losing streak in us, right?

Excited to be winning, but I keep getting a, "Huh... weird" feeling instead of a "Whoa, we're awesome!" feeling.

Either way, much better than last year so at least it's the right direction

I don't know how bad Ponder actually played. It was a run-heavy game, and his throws tended to be underneath, but that seemed to be more a function of the defense he was playing against.

Ponder seems to be turning into a QB who plays as well as he needs to.

i dunno man, a 4.3 average for 111 yards is not a good sign!

I wouldn't really overact to one game

it's not one game, it's a regression back to last year's Ponder.

Kai he's going to have ups and downs

Why is this game more indicative than last weeks?

You just seem to have a sky is falling attitude towards ponder

Really, what is impressive is how much better our defense is looking. Essentially shutting down Megatron? DID NOT SEE THAT COMING.

I would also take Ponder passing for a paltry 111 with no interceptions than 250 and a couple picks.

there was about 70 yards in interference yards to simpson too

Yeah that jump and grab by Simpson gives me hope.

didn't throw any picks, made the big throw to Simpson when it mattered, that's all that really matters.

Overall he looks WAY better this season, and way better than I expected. More poised/confident, too

Yeah, I don't get the complaining about winning. He didn't pass for much (and the offense only scored 6), but it worked for a ball control game. I'm not going to blame the 3rd and long plays on Ponder.

Ball control, heh-heh

I really hope this team isn't trying to get my hopes up just so it can crush them later in the season.

I don't know what's going on, but way to go VIKES!!!

I'm on the Ponder bandwagon. He didn't make any big mistakes and controlled the game. No fumbles, no picks, no dumb decisions and looks poised and confident in the pocket. He's a pretty solid 2nd year starting QB and is getting better. Not to mention, the team looks a helluva lot better than I thought they would, too.
I don't know if they're playoff-ready at this stage, but they could make some noise in a year or 2.

Has Robison done anything yet this year?

jawknee 10/01/12 12:48 AM
I really hope this team isn't trying to get my hopes up just so it can crush them later in the season.

The trick to being a happy Vikings fan is to never let them make you doubt that this is EXACTLY what they're doing.

It's like watching a Shakespeare tragedy. You can still enjoy watching it, but you know from the beginning that everyone dies at the end.

I've been surprised by Ponder this year. I've never been a fan, but I think he's played exceptionally well considering my low expectations. Yesterday was a good game for him. He was spotted a 14 point lead from special teams and the defense was handling business, the most important thing for him and the offense was to chew up time, move the chains, and avoid turnovers, which they accomplished satisfactorily.

What I'm most impressed with (outside of AP and Percy, who never cease to impress despite how awesome we know they are), is the way the draft picks have played this year. Kalil has been a major upgrade and appears to be every bit the reliable longtime pro-bowl level tackle we hoped. Harrison Smith had a fantastic game yesterday and is also a major upgrade at the position. Love the guy. Big hitter who has the speed and length to challenge for jump balls. Josh Robinson, while limited in his role, has actually contributed and honestly I don't know if I've seen him screw up once yet. And of course, there's Blair Walsh, who has been an absolute steal. The Vikings' 2012 draft has been a gold mine thus far.

i'm not saying ponder's horrible or anything, but after the first three games I was almost convinced he was turning into a real playmaker when most of the evidence seems to be pointing to an alex smith or joe flacco type. not saying he can't grow or win (those dudes do), but you can't look at that performance and say "man, christian ponder really had me feeling confident there." without the sherels and percy returns, we've got 6 points...not a lot of offense even with AP going off.

Ponder was not very good yesterday. He made 1-2 great throws but otherwise was pretty whatever. There was a bubble screen to Percy that was nearly picked by Lions DE Cliff Avril. Read it all the way.

I appreciate the shots down field but we are going to get fucked playing a team like GB down the stretch.

From the other side, damn, I thought the Leos might take a step back this year, but I am a bit stunned to see their season essentially over after week 4. Thankfully I had a good excuse not to watch yesterday, but in the little bit of the 1st qtr. I saw, I couldn't believe the difference in energy between the two teams. Detroit just looks so listless and discombobulated. Something weird happening.
Btw, for as banged-up as they are, Lions D really isn't playing too badly this year. I don't think it's all on Ponder. I do agree with Billick that they aren't playing with as much of an edge up front. Maybe the result of too many PF's over the last couple of seasons? Plus guys like KVB just getting old.

I think the problem with the Lions is they have no threat at RB. LeShoure looks decent but it seems like opposing squads feared Jahvid Best those first few games. Set up nice play action for big bombs to Calvin, etc. Nobody is threatened by DET's current run game and I think that's why people just play off and let them complete the short passes.

For sure. They were drafted as complimentary pieces, but I'm not sure Best is going to see another snap.

PA & Wobby just had a 15 minute simultaneous orgasm.

I'm just glad we have the same quarterback every week, and he's not some has-been bouncing passes off the turf.

The offense, although totally vanilla, seems way more cohesive than last year. Hardly any penalties.

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/38839/is-this-real-the-first-place-vikings

thanks

guys! ... guys

lol hi

I am baffled by how good our offense looked on that drive

I don't think I've seen a player ejected before. What did he do, swing at a ref?

Ponder, Harvin and the secondary (albeit against Hasselbeck) are looking great. But way too many penalties, fellas.

pushed the ref off him i think...

Smith shoved the ref to the ground after the play was over.

These Vikings are looking pretty for-real

happened to walter payton as well - he was pushed into a ref by another player and got ejected

tennessee defense has allowed an average of 38 points per game, so take that with a grain of salt

Harvin is a beast!

but yeah, it's fun watching us win!

2 bad throws from ponder there, but good half overall

Harrison is a thug

another oops

This Ponder is hard to sack.

TN really blows

they're truly awful

"you're welcome" -Percy Harvin

I know there's still a lot of this game left and Tennessee is moving the ball right now, but when was the last Vikings shutout victory? The only thing I can find was a 13-0 win at Detroit in December of '93, but that can't be right, can it? Almost 20 years without a shutout?

Way to go!

dammit

That's crazy though, 19 years without a shutout

You are an asshole, sir.

That's Sir Asshole, to you.

oh fuck, and one for rudolph too!!!

Kai is the bearer of good magic. Stinkfinger is a caster of wicked sorcery.

I guess I prefer that to Sir Asshole.

What's up with Chris Johnson's head tic?

Anyway, the Vikes are looking legit. I mean, the Titans are terrible, but we slaughtered them.

Couldn't see the headphones or headphone wire on CJ... That was disturbing.

Happy for the win, but AP is killing my fantasy team.

I was wondering about CJ's head tic too.

Wow, the Titans can't tackle. Love the way Percy dodged them on the way to the endzone. Like a bullfighter.

cj has tourettes

For real?

huh thought i read that

but looks like just conjecture

can we get a more optimistic thread title yet?

twitch he developed in high school
he's such a crazy idiot

kai - to be fair, Barkley's stock has been dropping.

I just want that goofy photo at the top of the thread to be gone.

Good game. I'd still like to see more red zone TDs, as TN should have been out of it before halftime, but whatevs.

Yeah, it doesn't really make sense, with the offense we're running, to have red zone difficulties.

Washington Redskins are my least favorite NFL team, based on the excessive stadium, color scheme, and name.

Hopefully RGIII is too damaged to play

Jeez. . .

Well, not permanently damaged

Why do you hate rg3, he seems pretty cool imo

maybe he sits out this week so we don't have to deal with him.


poor choice of words earlier ^ i mean no harm

William Percival Harvin is the name of our dog. However, it's also the name of an American-Born football player that happens to be the best all-around non-QB offensive player in football.

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Awesome. My head almost did an exorcist-style 360 swivel watching that TD. That other run where he bounces off 3 huge defenders and still makes it was not quite as showy, but a little more impressive IMO.

I really loved watching our CBs swatting down passes last Sunday. I don't think I've ever seen Vikes DBs so consistently good. A really good MLB who can drop back in pass coverage would make this Vikes D complete.

great rudolph block on that play

Percy is silly good. Love watching him work.

Percy the dog is pretty cool too.

such an amazing grasp of timing, those starts and stops in the flow of the run are beautiful

rudolph is awesome, so glad we didn't overpay shianco

But is he awesome "down there"?

So glad we over paid for John Carlson!

Hahahahaha I'm glad someone noted teh Carlson.

I guess i didn't follow it uber-closely, but from a distance it seems like we had a pretty great draft this year, no?

Kalil, Smith, Robinson, and Walsh have been positive so far.

GET OFF ME, FAM!!!

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Here in DC, I haven't been able to see anything but highlights; but this season has been fun anyways!

nother tex article up. should appeal to percy fans.

http://georgeonsports.com/

if you are not a percy harvin fan, you don't like football.

So what is the status on RG3 at the moment? I thought that if you got concussed you were automatically out the next game as a precaution in the NFL.

Nope, but you do have to be evaluated by independent neurologists to get cleared. I think they'll know by today.

he was cleared to practice.

RGIII is cleared to play.

That Tex article was fucking awesome.

"Do you know where you are or who you're playing against?"
"No."
"Grab some bench and we'll get you in next Sunday, champ!"

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Damnit. I'd be Schaivo'd after that kinda hit.

washington cheerleaders' booty shorts......GOD BLESS THEM....GOD BLESS THEM.

Ugh.

MAAAATTTT BARKLLLEEEY

Ugly

We've narrowed the margin to four field goals

yeah waht's the deal

I checked Wikipedia and I guess it is technically legal for the Vikings to score a touchdown

Maybe a fair catch next time, champ.

anyone else notice the horrible timekeeping?

they ran the clock after the last two plays where runner forced oob

should be over 7 mins on clock wtf

way to go defense on that one. Get to a crucial 3rd down and give up a 70+ yard run.

Shake it off, guys.

kind of had a bad feeling about today's game before it started. RGIII is fun to watch. shouldn't be a shock, this team still has a long way to go but hopefully they can get a few wins at home coming up here.

booty shorts during the first quarter. and that interception in the end. ponder is a lil bee itch.

RG3 is a nightmare and is playing like the real deal. Ponder was straight up awful and can't believe we gave up a pick six to Madieu Williams...seriously?

We've only lost to rookie first round drafted QBs. If we can maintain that, we'll be fine.

percy harvin, mvp

"Let's see if they get Gay."

Are all of Jerome Simpson's big plays this year going to be interference penalties?

I really like Adrian's running style. He's able to run much less violently than before his injury because he is smarter, utilizing his superior vision to exploit defenses.

Ponder, what in the FUCK?

Hey coach you gotta take it easy on that heart.

Keel: even

I am loving the rest of the team but I just think Ponder is showing some scary shortcomings that I really hope are just skills that can be developed as opposed to things he just can't do. His accuracy is so far off and I can't remember seeing him throw a pretty deep ball ever. I mean, he can throw deep for pass interference or for a receiver that has to come back to it, but he has such a long way to go. That said, the rest of the pieces Spielman has put together are looking DAMN GOOD.

Dude Harrison Smith is so fun to watch. He's totally the real deal.

Jesus Christ, Christian! That was terrible.

what happened to all those ponder apologists?

I think, at the very least, you bring in a veteran QB to put some pressure on him. I mean, he looks lost out there.

I just wish we would have lost that one game last year and gotten RG3. Oh well

I don't think RG3 would have made the longterm difference to the team that Kalil is going to.

Harrison Smith is my favorite viking since Big Jimmy Kleinsasser

I agree with Dan Johnson that I would honestly rather have Matt Kalil. Kalil is going to change the LT position that way that Lawrence Taylor did to the LB position. Why, you ask? Well, because the game has trended toward huge, 330 lb. LTs for the last fifteen years, and now what has happened to defensive ends? They are now built like basketball players, super tall and quick and able to speed around plump LTs. Kalil is tall and thin and will be the trend to stop the Julius Peppers and Mario Williams of the league.

My worry about Ponder is legitimate and long-term.

+1 more for Kalil.

Man, I think Harrison Smith and the rest of our secondary might give Antoine Winfield an extra couple of years in his career. Holy shit that hit Winfield just dished out was gorgeous.

'Toine is still the baddest of asses.

Quote from the announcers just now:

"The Minnesota Vikings are one of the biggest surprises of the year in the NFL and they look built to stay good for some time to come with Harvin, Peterson and their rebuilt defense, but you have to say the only thing that is going to be holding this team back long term is their quarterback, who's mistakes and lack of development are really hurting this team."


See I'm not crazy!

we have done NOTHING in the 2nd half.

Kluwe MVP?

Ponder has done nothing. They've been throwing almost every play and Ponder is making the case for a QB change next week. I say let AP run it every play for the rest of the game.

does harvin have a catch or even a target in the 2nd half? what's going on there?

Nothing like watching ED commercials with Lil' Low.

Yeah he's looking real weak today

Kluwe's breakdown of the lockout:

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welp

We won, cool, but:

8/17, 58 YDS, 1 TD, 2 INT

I agree it's a work in progress but i'm back to where i was at the beginning of the year: Ponder seems like the kind of quarterback who will peak, someday, at mediocrity

probs worth giving some credit to the AZ defense on this one too.

We Want Webb!!

Ponder was by far the best QB on the field today. Take that for whatever it's worth.

I'm not worked up about one bad game. They won (pretty easily), didn't they?

Last week was much, much worse.

Ponder put up Tebow-like numbers today. Skelton had 5 times as many yards as he did. I think Ponder is probably a better QB than Skelton, but when your opponent puts up 5 times as many yards, it's hard for me to say that Ponder is "by far the best QB on the field"

and this is actually 3 bad games in a row for Ponder, with 7 turnovers over that span. oof.

consistently inconsistent

I heard part of the third and saw the fourth, but didn't seem like they won that easily. If Arizona had recovered the onside kick, they could've marched it down the field or they could've gone three and out.

It's weird saying this but our defense really bailed us out. Coach Wizz also had some horrible ideas for his offense...ala...bootleg Skelton on 4th and 2 and your first read was a fullback?

Barkley has been pretty inconsistent all year. He's good when he's good. I'd rather see the vikes pick up almost anyone else at qb, but that is because I really don't like Barkley and I hate USC. Go ducks

regarding the skelton bootleg, the dumbest thing is that it went to winfield's side.

i don't think it's realistic that barkley will still be on the board by the time we get our pick.

Stupid winning record!

if we finish at, say, 8-8 or 9-7, no way

plus, barkley's never going to be more appealing than he is now, before he takes one NFL snap

but yeah, i've been an apologist, and i'm still not as negative as kai or coach, but christian is not playing well and making bad decisions right now, which he can't afford to do....

one thing:

i'm pretty blown away by what this coaching staff and defensive roster has done this year, they are legitimate and i thought we'd be a pretty horrible....great job all around.

Frazier still seems totally flustered by two-minute warning clock-management. That said, the way we're mixing up the offensive play-calling, using each weapon when it makes sense to use it, and not letting any of them become predictable, is a nice relief from last year's super efficient 3-and-out machine.

Regarding Dwayne Bowe, I wouldn't mind if the organization gave up as much as a 2nd and a 4th if they were able to reach a long-term extension prior to the trade's completion.

I think I'm enjoying this Vikings season more than any in memory because it's such a callback to my formative fan years, when the Vikings team was a dominant defense, a couple of spots of talent in the skill positions, and a QB doing his best to get your hopes up in between throwing games away.

Did anyone hear Matt Kalil on KFAN this morning? I think I have a new favorite player. What a class act.

Was he talking about <a href="http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/175045521.html">how much he has to eat<a>?

I didn't hear him talking about that! It's insane!

ultimately, you've got to hope that next year's team will have at least 2 starting receivers that aren't on this team right now

Or how much he has to eat, even.

I still think the best thing for Ponder will be if he stays healthy and plays every game. Not much of an arm on him it seems. Can he throw deep? I don't think I've seen him really launch one. When they were up 21-7 I thought they would run Harvin on a go route and let it rip.

Ponder's going to be inconsistent--I think that's a given with a 2nd year QB. It probably will be in Year 3 too.

That, and with a Frazier-Musgrave offense, I think it will always be about having an adequate QB, not a star. It's just not that kind of offense. What I'm still hoping for (and have been since Moss trade #1) is a damn starting calibur WR. Not counting Harvin, that is.

to be honest i don't think we even know what type of offense musgrave would prefer to run given our WR situation

I think I brought up the question upthread, but I'll ask again:

With no deep threat receiver, what is it about the red zone that's stopping the offense? It's a 20 yard deep field on every play anyway.

when you are in the red zone, there is less room to run safeties and line backers deep. which means when you pass it in the flats for swing passes and bubble screens, once the guy catches it out there the secondary can close much faster because they aren't that far away, and ultimately since its more congested there's less room to make one or two guys miss or take bad angles.

Simpson really ever known for his jump-ball abilities? I feel like there will be a TWSS coming soon.

That's a good point CoF. I've been lamenting the lack of. a fast receiver so much, I hadn't even considered how long it's been since I saw a Vikings receiver come down with a jump catch.

I wonder how much of the problem could be fixed with a tall receiver with a good vertical, regardless of speed. I mean, that's got to be easier to draft/trade for, right?

sidney rice wasn't that long ago guys

Hassan Jones or gtfo.

i think sidney rice is proving he isn't much of a receiver

yeah but he made tons of awesome catches the favre year, just saying it wasn't that long ago

glad we didn't resign him tho

true true

how good/bad is jerome simpson? i know he hasn't played much and for the most part has been ok at drawing coverage/pass interference calls...but is there breakout potential, or is it a wysiwyg situation?

my podcast is up

Vikings talk in the first part. Fantasy talk in the 2nd part. totes SFW

is anybody else noticin the spanish telecast is goin on underneath the one in inglese?

0 for 4 on consecutive 3-and-outs.

Nice work, Ponder.

does anyone know where to stream this

I'm digging the simultaneous multi-lingual broadcast that sounds like it is coming out of a submarine.

Not only am I hearing the Spanish at almost equal volume, but it ocassionally switches completely to Spanish. I'm listening via broadcast, so that might make a difference vs cable.

This isn't going well.

Where's Coach? I need someone to tell my how much Ponder sucks.

this shit's gross

Jeebus. could we suck any harder?

Ponder hater forever, god he looks awful
the first pass he completes is fumbled? ugh

Fire chilly!

Ponder is not getting much protection. That's not helping.

Matt Barkley...

hey i like what's goin on here. percy, kalil, ap. dink and dunk forever

Well OK then. Touchdown!

Harvin's speed caught that TD. Thought he was going to miss that shit.

we better eat up this 5 minutes or it's gonna be a long 2nd half...

Goddammit.

"that's a horrible decision right there"

u g l y

That's not a good sign magma.

Race for Geno Smith? Dude was awful last weekend... heh heh... MBT!!!

Horrible tackling.

Joe Webb is the future

The way Tampa has our offense on its heels, putting in a running QB might open things back up.

At least Martin is on my fantasy squad...?

AP!

I think that was Jerome Simpson's best play of the game.

Go vikes. Right?



Oh sorry, just give Ponder some time.

Minnesota Vikings 2012: The Race for Jeff Garcia

The race for...soccer.

lol sound the horn for a timeout

Bloodbath!

haha jesus Allen...

Jesus Allen lol!

so ill
ponder, you better fucking do something with this game because i just got interested again

HARDCORE

BLAME PONDER

"i think that's the definition of implosion"

I was worried about Tampa going into this game...always seem to be a team that never quits.

We're doing a great job putting them into third-and-longs and then we just give up stupid shit.

Although that one was fucking nice.

Defense gave us two great opportunities - fired up the crowd and team - and the offense (ponder more specifically) straight blows it. Damn dissappointing that guy.

This is more or less EXACTLY what I expected. As info, we went to bed 20 minutes ago and then I got up to work on lesson plans. I haven't watched the game for 20 minutes. Stopped watching after the Allen fight and then Ponder stepping up for once.......oh wait kidding I watched him get sacked and them turned it off. Sleep well, I'm working on lesson plans.

With that failed 2-point attempt, we have them EXACTLY where we want them. Way to go, team!

good sportsman

should have started the season out w. joe webb, after last game, should have started tonight out with webb. i'll give ponder a few good throws tonight, but all the shit he threw kind of negates it.

Ponder just needs a little better protection and a little more experience (going through his checkdowns, learn not to get too greedy or throw to when the corner can cut the route for a pick).

Musgrave needs to teach/Ponder needs to learn more plays. AP up the middle and quick out passes aren't going to work forever.

Another big concern is our lack of depth in the d-backfield. With Cook out (broken wrist? I saw if flapping when he came off), all a good qb has to do is pick on the mismatch.

At least Zigi got the front office figured out. If Spielman keeps picking this well, we'll have quite the team in a couple years.

Makes me wonder if we're going to trade for a WR before the deadline.

trade ponder maybe

Dudes, the Vikings will be fine. Just wait until Jerome Simpson comes back.

Oh wait

man, i could not believe they folded in the fourth quarter. after the jared allen fight/sack i thought for sure they would come storming back. tough loss.

ponder has some talent but his decision making is just atrocious. why isn't anyone talking to this kid about reads, options, hot routes, checkdowns, etc? after 2 quarters of getting burned on percy bubble screens, they figured us out and there was nowhere left to go. ugh.

It's easy to get down on the Vikes, but although we had some bad errors (largely Ponder and coaching) and didn't adjust when we needed to (pulling that saftey up sooner to get an extra guy on Martin effectively stopped the guy in the 2nd half), we just got beat. Tampa played great.. Martin, Freeman made some great throws, their D was fierce going after Ponder and not giving him much time. It doesn't mean we totally suck. We're way better than last year and if the o-line and Ponder can show improvement we're going to be plenty good enough to compete for the division this and at least the next few years.

their receivers impressed me the most. they had some really great catches, that jump ball to V-Jax in the 1st, the back of the end zone TD grab for Mike Williams, the jump ball on the sidelines just barely over Jefferson's fingertips.

Cook DID break his wrist. Not good. I hope a 2nd stringer can step up.

this was kind of my worse case scenario about ponder this year...i wanted him to be clearly good and improving all year or total horseshit, so we'd know what to do moving forward...but so far it's such a muddled mix :/

my mood hasn't swung much, i was surprised at the start but the team reverted back to my expectations after the first three games. they stink and in this division, we'll be lucky to end up with a winning record.

Of course it's going to be fun.

i thought last night's game was super entertaining. percy, ap and jared all providing awesome moments. harrison smith was great. sad to lose, but fun game, would watch again.

I prefer a loss where there's still at least the possibility of a last minute win, but sometimes a portrait of a flawed hero's tragic failings is just as compelling as suspenseful thriller.

i approach a vikings game the same way as when i go golfing. its all about the great moments despite how few and far between they are. the chip-in, the one perfect drive, the jared allen bloodfaced sack, the percy harvin reception where he juked a guy so hard he gave himself ten yards of space on a 3 yard out. i won't kid myself into thinking i'm going to shoot par for the round or the vikings are going to the super bowl, instead i'm satisfied to have a few gleaming instances of greatness.

a.v.a.t.a.r. syndrome

Having a couple days to process this every team has an embarrassing home loss. SF just got whooped a couple of weeks ago in their house and Packers were destroyed at home in the playoffs. I think it's good for MN to get an ass whipping so it wakes up the team's urgency.

I actually like the chances of Vikings going into Seattle and winning. We have a solid chunk of time off and Seattle is actually a pretty evenly matched team. Big on the run and not great in the passing game.

seattle also has a ridiculous home field advantage and a much much much better secondary.

This is true but I still feel like we could keep up with them.

Don't make AP angry

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Man this guy on the Seahawks is getting PISSED

Joe Webb time?

And why does it say TANZANIA in Indiana Jones font in their stadium?

We have arguably the best receiver in football AND the best running back in football. Ponder is just such a drag though

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Oh boy, that's funny.

What, you're disputing that Toby Gerhart is the greatest back in the NFL?

ponder dude you noooooo good

not much a guy can do with a swiss cheese O-line

yeah he's been running around a bunch. AP though! duuuuuude

ponder is garbage.

Dude is now limping. Why leave him in?

MARINO!

Our o line and ponder make us look shamefully bad

gawdfuckindammit he suxxx

He could, you know, at least try to throw to one of the guys wearing white and purple.

BRING BACK JOE WEBB

Fire Chilly again!

What did they just say about Tebow? Oh please dear lord Satan no.

Yeah we should get him

Aww. The Vikings are who we thought they were.

Donovan McNabb is available...

And the countdown to press quotes from unnamed sources begins. I'm really glad I had to miss half of this exhibition.

Ok I'm now panicking about ponder

Passing Cmp Att Yds TDs
C. Ponder 11 22 63 0

Rushing Car Yds Avg TDs
A. Peterson 17 182 10.7 2

If we had just given the ball to AP instead of those 22 pass attempts, we may have won.

seriously what the fuck is his problem?

He seemed like a solid C+ / B- quarterback for awhile this year, but not anymore

honestly that was one of the worst games i've ever seen from a quarterback.

And so it begins. I highlighted the key points for y'all.


ESPN Radio - 1 hour ago

SEATTLE -- Another remarkably unproductive performance doesn't have quarterback Christian Ponder's starting job in jeopardy.

Minnesota Vikings coach Leslie Frazier dismissed the suggestion he may analyze the position after Ponder threw for 63 yards on 11-of-22 passing in Sunday's 30-20 loss to the Seattle Seahawks.

"We need some balance, and we've got to look at the tape as coaches and figure out what we have to do to create that balance," Frazier said. "I don't necessarily think that Christian is the problem. We've got to look at what we're doing and what people are doing against us as well."

It was just the latest in a series of apparent steps back for Ponder, who has completed 98 of 161 passes (60.9%) for 982 yards with six touchdown passes and eight interceptions over the Vikings' past five games.

The second-year quarterback was just 8-of-17 passing for 58 yards with two interceptions and a 35.3 rating in a win over Arizona on Oct. 21. Two weeks later, he fell well short of the 100-yard mark again here, throwing a late interception that left him with a 37.3 rating.

That helped squander a Herculean effort by Adrian Peterson, who ran for 182 yards and two touchdowns on 17 carries (10.7 average) against persistent eight- and nine-man boxes.

"I don't know if there's concern," Ponder said of the Vikings' passing game, which likely will fall even further after entering the game ranked 27th in the NFL.

"Obviously, we know that we have to get better. It's all fixable. We're going to see that on film, probably, is that it's all fixable. We just have to do it."

Asked if defenses are approaching the Vikings as one-dimensional, Ponder said, "I don't know. Obviously, the past couple games it's been one-dimensional. But we've seen what the passing game can do early on in the season.

"We've just got to get back to that. We're good at throwing the ball. We've got good receivers. We've got good blocking up front. I've just got to keep doing a better job of getting the ball in their hands.

"This team isn't one-dimensional. This offense isn't one-dimensional. We've shown that the past couple games. But we can throw the ball and we're going to figure it out and we're going to win in the air."

Tension is mounting, though. After one failed third down, receiver Percy Harvin followed Frazier down the sideline, yelling and waving his arms until Frazier took off his headset to calm Harvin down.

"We're all frustrated in the passing game, and obviously, we know it can get better," Ponder said. "But we have great leadership on this team and Percy's one of our great leaders and we're not going to let it become a problem.

"Obviously, we know that we've got to fix it and we're going to use it as motivation. When we throw for 44 yards, obviously, everyone's going to be disappointed in it and we know we're better than that."

Harvin downplayed the incident after the game and offered support when asked if he has confidence in Ponder as the Vikings' quarterback.

"I'm confident. Definitely," Harvin said. "He's our quarterback. He's who the staff picked. So, we've just got to get back Monday and just get things corrected."

Joe Webb has dressed as the No. 2 quarterback for every game but has played only three snaps, in garbage time against Tennessee on Oct. 7.

Frazier said recently there is no scenario, barring an injury, in which he could see benching Ponder, the No. 12 overall pick in last year's NFL Draft. Sunday's performance apparently didn't change that either.

Ponder also took four sacks, leaving the Vikings with 44 net passing yards.

"They obviously did some things to affect our pass offense," Frazier said. "We've got to figure out how to adjust and get better."

At this point they might as well stick with Ponder in my opinion. I just don't think Webb is ever going to be more than a starter. Ponder at least has "room to grow." It's painful waiting that out, though.

Of course, I'm probably just optimistic because I watched 3 years of T-Jack and anything is better than that.

like if you can't even get it to harvin on a stupid bubble screen or something why even play the game? UGH.

not even tarvar was ever this bad.

We should LEARN from the T-Jack era that at some point you have to have the guts to admit your pick was garbage. Right? I mean, this is almost identical to what we had with T-Jack.

I mean, decent quarterbacks make their receivers work. You can NOT make the argument that Ponder's struggles are just bad receivers and the line. Ponder is the problem, period.

of course frasier is going to stick with his qb, his job security rides in seeing this thing out. ponder has started almost 20 games in the pros now. it's one thing to be patient and allow a young player grow, but after 20-25 starts you kind of know basically what you have/don't have. i feel for the kid but he doesn't look like he's up to the task of even slightly resembling a competent nfl qb.

worst pocket presence ever.

But the other thing is, what's the alternative? Who could we actually get right now that's better? (Not a rhetorical question). Seems like the draft next year will have nothing. Webb is fun to watch but I kinda doubt he would actually be a long term answer

Maybe T Jack has improved?

we could trade for matty flynn

I was all in favor of the win at Washington last year.

SOREY.

PA was freaking out about our third string QB in preseason. BLT

Soapy is right. Ponder started the season with some decent passes and looked good. I think he just needs to go to a psych therapy session to get over whatever is haunting him out on the field. He has totally psyched himself out!

Or play Joe Webb!!

this is becoming worrisome...i mean, i've been on the anti-backlash, "let's give it time" bandwagon

but i have serious ongoing concerns about A) his pocket presence B) his arm strength -- or if not sheer strength, his ability to put velocity and zip on the ball -- russell wilson's passes yesterday were in stark contrast to the floaters ponder throws C) his accuracy on mid-range to long balls

these are all things that have been problems since day one, and i'm frankly concerned that they aren't so much "problems" as "the way christian ponder is"

Ponder: Shitty Mark Sanchez
Webb: Obscure Tim Tebow

i fear those aren't really as much jokes as the truth

I read an interview with AP from his rookie season where he said he does that because if you can make a cornerback instinctively flinch back from you for a fraction of a second later in the game, that could be worth a few inches.

if he continues this way for another few years, he's going to be in the greatest off all time conversation

That spin move yesterday had me soiling my trousers.

I like that the people saying that Ponder needs more time to develop are the same people who defended the massive reach at #12 with "he's the most pro-ready qb in the draft."

I think they were going to take Locker or Gabbert and just panicked.

Wasn't the word on draft day that they were in love with locker?

But Ponder finished grad school in 15 minutes or whatever!

I think here's what should happen: If he struggles in first half vs DET you must put Webb in. Christian needs to know this isn't acceptable and Webb, who by no means is the future, deserves some playing time if 7 struggles.

One thing to notice: Ponder wasn't putting up insane stats in our wins. It's been the D but lately they've dipped off too. Can't stop run OR pass now.

lol Webb

the D might benefit from an offense that can stay on the field for more than 1:20 to go 3 and out

groovylucifer
11/05/12 4:39 PM

lol Webb

Hey Man - if my guy had to get benched/got injured I would take Webb over something called Graham Harrell

On September 30, 2012, Graham played in his first game for Green Bay. Coming in for one snap in the red zone, Harrell tripped on his center, resulting in a botched hand off and a lost fumble.

Sounds about where Ponder has been.

Well I think next week you still start Ponder. But you have to make an adjustment at halftime if it's the same as it's been the last five weeks.


Did anyone else notice the Jared Allen quote taking a shot at Ponder? Frazier is now one week away from losing the team. It's basically his job next week. He won't be fired until after the season, but if it's the same thing next week, Frazier loses all the veterans and stars and it's over, fam.

Ponder is bad, but did the fast start really trick people that badly? Wasn't this season basically expected to be a rebuilding/let's see what we really have in Ponder kind of year? Yeah, GB is fucked if their starter goes down, but that's true of at least 30 teams. As much as I find the Ponder apologists amusing, don't you kind of have to see if he can play his way out of this? I mean, he was a 12th pick (ridiculous as that seemed at the time)

after he was sacked on third down and came up limping late in the game i figured that he was for sure going to be yanked.

I know. Maybe they were trying to get him REALLY injured to grease the skids for Webb.

Coach - what quote?

haha.

post the Allen quote?

he said something about how when you run the ball for nearly 200 yards, the passing game is usually going to be wide open for you. he was supposedly talking about how difficult of a time the vikings' defense was having because they couldn't stop the run, but it wasn't hard to see how the same logic would apply to the vikings offense.

year of the cat ?

I know tackle stats are overrated, but, Jesus, Greenway is everywhere today!

FOX started the third quarter with Unsung by Helmet playing over a montage of plays. Sounded GREAT. Helmet! (Now there's a band with a name made for football.)

Jarius Wright is the answer

Why are we so bad in the red zone?

Nice red zone work there

i smell a one point loss

Never mind.

Watching Calvin "Halo Bender" Johnson, it's pretty obvious from his reactions after the last couple tackles that he has concussion symptoms.

It's amazing how a guy like that can continue to play at that level when his brain is mush and he probably can't remember the first quarter.

What is it with the Vikings and helmet-to-helmet shots on CJ? Fuck this.

Kluwe on the horsecollar!

I think this is the best AP has looked since his first or second year. Totally unexpected, and awesome

The Vikes are up by 17 and have been having a great 4th quarter. They are not "trying to hang on."

AP should be comeback player of the year. Should also be in mix for MVP. Unfortunately they'll go to Manning and Rodgers

what AP is doing is phenomenal but come on, man! manning came back from a more severe injury, he missed an entire season AND switched teams. plus i really don't see how Rogers is anywhere near a lock for MVP. manning has the league's best passer rating, a higher completion percentage than rogers, more yards per game, the td:int is in Rogers' favor but not by that much, and Manning has his team on top of their division despite having one of the toughest first half schedules in the league.

i predicted manning would be MVP before the season started and i'm sticking with it.

man AP is sooooo awesome this year. last game was great

Honestly, what are the odds that we end the season 6 and 10?

8-8

We can be happy we improved a little. Let's play the games before we automatically lose to everyone.

I know Manning is your boy COF but dude had well over a year to recover. AP is putting up insane numbers when his injury happened last than a year ago

i think denver would be a better team without peyton than we would be without AP

Yeah, I could see us winning one of the home games in the division, and probably beating the Rams.

Honestly, this year, I'm not making any assumptions about anything.

I'm not even ruling out the playoffs.

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vikes finish 7-9. realistically it's an improved season, just
won't be fun having a bunch of potential losses in a row.
p.s. when was the last time MN one in chicago,'08 or earlier?

2007 when AP went crazy.

the Classical
9/16/12 9:34 PM
magma90210
9/09/12 12:39 PM
”Enjoy the season”

yeah one of the few times i've sat and watched, that roughing the passer was such a clean hit..
Thank goodness the Packers kicker is teh wurst.

Yeah, honestly, do they just have no money to pay a kicker anything?

i don't know but I think Longwell is a free agent.

Ponder is so bad. Aside from the TD to Rudolph not a single pass has been accurate. The one-left-handed Rudolph catch was pretty amazing, though.

It's scary to think how much better AP could have been this season with even an "average" QB and recievers that didn't have cinderblocks for hands as a legitmate threat.

AP is beautiful

we coud have traded down and still drafed Kaepernick in 2011

Ponder is awful. But hey, AP has a realistic shot at an NFL record (isn't it like 275 or something?)

Shut the fuck up, McCarthy. That was fucking awful.

Oh, and another INT for Ponder. How nice.

Why are we even trying to throw?

so pissed

gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Ponder has gotta go

his vision is so asshat horseshit

Ponder is so, so, so bad. Ponder 5-13, 36 yds, 1 td, 2 INT against the not-quite-stellar Packers defense. Bring back Joe Webb.

let's draft Johnny "Football" Manziel

This game is making me miss Sean Salisbury.

This game is making me miss smoking cigarettes.

I hate to think what the Vikings could have done this season with an average QB. It kind of feels like Peterson has had his historic wasted season on a mediocre supporting cast-if he were on the Texans or the Bears he would be the biggest thing in sports right now.

Mason Crosby.

I am not looking forward to a lifetime of dealing with adults named Mason, Aiden, Braden and Jaden.

As shitty as Ponder is playing, GB has a crazy conversion rate on 3d down today. I get that the D is started, but stop them one fucking time already. Has GB had to punt in this half?

Ponder tosses a melon hard

game over

Aaaaand, that's game.

Whoops wasn't supposed to miss that

AP should stand at the front of the plane and just stare at everyone until they land in MSP.

Our D 4 has flushed Rodgers so many times, why didn't we ever send a 5th?!? EVER?!?!?! AAAAaarrgggg!

Yeah, and Ponder's performance today is a shame. If he'd just settle down he could be average, maybe even an above average smart-qb, but that hope is fading. It's pretty clear he'll never have an accurate deep ball.

57-3
Teams with a 200+ yard rusher
Go Vikings.

And he hasn't played smart. Why would you think he'll start doing so?

From the interviews and his personality.. I just get that impression. Also he does a lot of hasty things like throws too soon (those awful deep lofts) without reading who is open, or he runs out of the pocket too soon. So, it seems like his bad decisions are not because he doesn't (necessarily) know what to do, but that he gets nervous and becomes impulsive.

I don't expect much from what I've seen of Webb. I think I've seen more than enough of Ponder though. Fuck it. I thought Ponder should start every game but he is so much worse than I thought he would be.


A.v.a.t.a.r. syndrome is kicking in

rbs with 175+ carries have averaged at least 6.0 ypc in a season five times

1 brown 1963 291 1863 6.40
2 j charles 2010 230 1467 6.38
<b>3 peterson 2012 234 1446 6.18
4 sanders 1997 335 2053 6.13
5 simpson 1973 332 2003 6.03

just saw peyton manning complete a short pass to a guy who was sitting on his butt when he decided to throw it. greg schiano patted him on the helmet.

ugh ponder. dude you got your chance. but even with how terrible he played, they still stayed in it

maybe he lurks on the board and we're all rly gettin thru to him right now.

i bet he does. i can hear his internet

pretty depressing. we had this game. getting really disturbed by ponder.

i feel like i've been far more patient than most with ponder, but this game was the last straw for me. he just can't do it. he doesn't have the arm and he doesn't have the poise. i think we pretty much have to draft another quarterback next year. the ponder era is over.

Now that Gabbert is done for the year (and probably never coming back), is Ponder the worst starting QB in the league? I guess he's gotta be behind Brady Quinn and Ryan Linley, but he's right down there with them, right?

talk about salt in the wound. heheheh this did make me laugh though. ponder sucks.
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I think everyone is finally tired of Ponder rolling to his left (sideways), staring off to the middle/right, and throwing an horrible pass? Yup. We are. We're 6-6 and need a ton of things to go our way to even sniff a wild card. Win out... oh shit...Ponder is our QB? Hehehehe

Did you guys see Paul Carchian's "I'm Pissed" rant?

That guy creeps me out, I think he looks a little like the doll from the movie Magic

:(

:( x2

irl charch is a great guy

KFAN's sseth.

i like charch. he's simultaneous KFAN's most sincere and weaselly personality.

i think sometimes, in the context of PA, he feels a bit of a responsibility to play devil's advocate to the overwhelming kool-aid drinking, perhaps sometimes too much

Charch boggles me. He can say the most preposterous things about the Vikings w/ PA and then go against him. 90% of the time his fantasy advice is just way off too. Called Marshawn Lynch "undraftable" in the off season b/c of his DUI arrest and didn't bother to check if he'd be suspended or not.

Has anyone heard Sid Hartman's preposterous quote? When talking about all the Ponder bashing:
"All of you media folks will be sorry next year at this time".

Sid Hartman is Exhibit A for Logan's Run.

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??

harvin ir

:(

ugh. well, let's just hope that means we get a Joe Webb sighting.

this is a nightmare

hurts quest for ap2k

hope this isn't the last time we see Harvin as a Viking...

So is this Sidney Rice II?

:(

sidney smoked more weed

so it sounds like there's a lot more drama behind this than the vikings are letting on. ugh.

yeah. wtf? but the reports i heard said that percy tried to practice and indeed took the field but wasn't able to make cuts, like he was clearly limping and getting all pissed at himself for being unable to go. and that was from reporters who were at practice. so if that was true, it doesn't sound like he's refusing to play or practice or anything. i wonder if the team's medical staff misdiagnosed the problem or something and percy is furious at them? definitely seems fishy.

like the fact that articles like this one are popping up is just ridiculous. Harvin & AP > anyone else on this team, coaches included.

"On Wednesday night, however, there was another reminder of why the Vikings might be willing to sever ties with Harvin if he doesn't accept a contract on their terms."

http://www.1500espn.com/sportswire/Zulgad_Vikings_get_reminder_of_risk_that_will_come_with_keeping_Percy_Harvin120512?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+1500espn%2Fsportswire%2Fvikings+%281500+ESPN+SportsWire+-+Minnesota+Vikings%29

Ridiculous. Pay the man, then find two more average or above receivers and a QB for him.

some ppl in the league would question paying a slot receiver the kind of money percy wants.

on that point, i disagree, i don't think his skill set is comparable to that of another slot receiver.

HOWEVER, giving big money to a player that -- at this point in his career - you have to just accept the fact that he's going to miss games or significant time in every season, kinda bothers me.

whether the vikings staff is handling everything correctly is in question, but i also think it's fair to say that percy is a troublesome guy to deal with, this extends back to his college career and his entire time he's been here under TWO different coaching regimes.

it's fucking impossible to find guys as good as percy who have his drive. unless they are total unequivocal team cancer, you keep guys like that.

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I don't know as much about NFL salaries as NBA, but I am confident that Harvin, with any injury or "troublesome" problems, is worth the money. Dude was proving himself to be one of the most talented WRs in the league with one of the worst QBs in the league. Franchise player.

didn't he say not to drink beer but liquor?

I'm 100% pro-that-comment. Do we live in Utah and I don't know it? He didn't tell them to then drive home.

The extra crowd noise can only help.

Yeah he should've just said we need more noise so bring all your black friends.

Am I the only one who thinks Samantha Steele is NOT THAT HOT!?! She's "MN Hot" at best...

Also... lots of jokes about Ponder "marrying his first read", etc

Sage Steele is way hotter IMO

i agree

"checkdown"

but with his qb rating prob is best he could do

got to play touch football with Tommy Kramer last night. dude certainly knows how to get his drink on

Holy shit! AP's might go off for 300 today! Chicago's run defense looks awful.

WHAT

touch football with two minute tommy!??!?

AP on pace for 400 yards & 8 TDs today.

Had not heard that about TK.

lol

Why would you bother holding Carlson? Let him get where he's going and drop whatever's thrown to him.

Pro Football Hall of Fame 50 patch: is that what you're talking about, Paul?